Cryptoquote Spoiler – 08/17/21

A Line from Linda: Tommy Douglas: The Birth of Medicare

Where people have no dreams and no hopes and aspirations, life becomes dull and a meaningless wilderness.”   —   Tommy Douglas

(It’s been quite a while since we’ve had a good ol’ Tommy Douglas quote!  The world need more men like him!  Be well and do good, friends.)   —   YUR

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Happy birthday to Colin Moulding, of XTC!

18 Responses to “Cryptoquote Spoiler – 08/17/21”

  1. 1 Vic Crain August 17, 2021 at 1:56 pm

    Reblogged this on CRAIN'S COMMENTS and commented:
    Th quote is both accurate and bittersweet, given the hell for many individuals just created in Afghanistan.

  2. 2 Vic Crain August 17, 2021 at 1:57 pm

    reblogged. Great quote.

  3. 3 unclerave August 18, 2021 at 12:46 pm

    We all act so shocked and outraged, but deep down we knew this had to be coming. It is/was a repeat of Vietnam, a prolonged war of occupation, where we built, armed and trained their army, but the “insurgents” represented the will of the people. Even if the women appreciated their newfound Western freedoms, the men seem perfectly happy to return to the old ways. I was one of the many voices that said – 20 years ago – our involvement in Afghanistan was a big mistake, but the Rah Rah club won out. The Rah Rah club sets the tone by leading the cheer, and far too many people allow their emotions to buy into it. The Rah Rah club knows exactly what buttons to push!

    Fat cats made a ton of money from the “war”. The U.S. lost a fair amount of troops. X amount of Taliban were killed – likely(?) over counted. X amount of Afghan citizens were killed – our government always under counts civilian losses. And, now we’ll see about the number of reprisals. Hopefully, that won’t be too horrible.

    — YUR

  4. 4 unclerave August 18, 2021 at 12:46 pm

    Thanks, Vic! — YUR

  5. 5 lwc August 18, 2021 at 4:23 pm

    Unc wrote: “Hopefully, that [the reprisals] won’t be too horrible.”

    Of course, there’ll be reprisals, but, if their smart, they’ll wait long enough for the American and foreign press to get out of the way and disappear. Then, they can do as they please.

  6. 6 unclerave August 18, 2021 at 5:04 pm

    Yes, lwc. When I said “too horrible” I was alluding the scope of the reprisals. Some will clearly be deemed traitors, and they’ll be killed. I just pray that they’ll be fairly judicious about it, and I hope they leave family members out of it. Let’s see if they’re actually a kinder-gentler Taliban. — YUR

  7. 7 lwc August 18, 2021 at 7:45 pm

    Unc wrote: “Let’s see if they’re actually a kinder-gentler Taliban.”

    Well, I will hope for the best; but, I won’t hold my breath.
    There will be a few heads on display in the village square.

    Allah be praised !
    And, peace be upon them !

  8. 8 Ken August 18, 2021 at 9:29 pm


    UR, the Taliban are brutal primates who understand brute force against them as the only means to deter them…there are a few options to use to minimize the harm to the thousands of detainees, American and friends, to/for the USA, with eventual release…let better qualified folks fill you in…
    One example: How would you feel about the TalIban if one of your female family/relative’s
    fingers were chopped off, in public, just for wearing nail polish??!!…I personally know of this…

    May God give the detainees strength & wisdom in this temporary time of despair☆…….k

  9. 9 unclerave August 19, 2021 at 2:00 pm

    Far too many people have done/do so many horrendous things . . . all in the name of God, lwc. — YUR

  10. 10 unclerave August 19, 2021 at 2:59 pm

    Don’t patronize me, brother. We all know how religious extremists – of all faiths – can be/are. Our disingenuous *leaders* knew this going into Afghanistan, under the guise of *Getting bin Laden*! After he allegedly fled to Pakistan – with his Taliban buddies – we stayed on to run the opium/heroin trade. The U.S. knew that anyone that would help them would be viewed as collaborators. That is just one of the results of war. It ain’t pretty, but it happens, in both $hith0le countries and so-called “civilized” countries. Do you think Trump was going to bring over thousands of Afghanis??? There was not going to be a happy ending in leaving, no matter who was in office, or how it was done.

    — YUR

  11. 11 Ken August 19, 2021 at 8:58 pm


    One note of interest??¿: The Afghan folks who were assisting America would accept a trip to almost anywhere on earth to get away from satan’s minions!!*…so a destination to America is not on their “must see/go to” agenda^…

    This is not patronizing, just an imagine thing;

    Time travel; Back to 5/1/2021
    You and I have, say one month, to draw-up an exit plan for our American citizens, foreign assistance helpers, war toys and American troops…This is based on Intel from three prime
    sources that the Taliban will be successful in their conquest in a very short time frame…
    Not to boast us up, but a much better result would occur than the fiasco now unfolding…
    It’s kind of strange, but I actually believe we could have come through with a better game plan!!?…….


    Lastie: Where were the Rangers??¿

  12. 12 unclerave August 20, 2021 at 1:13 pm

    Of course those Afghans would accept just about any other destination! But the question remains, who exactly would want them??? Most countries are sick and tired of dealing with refugees . . . of all ilk.

    But it’s no mystery that the U.S. thought they’d have more time to get out American citizens and a reasonable number of interpreters and assistants. Because of guys like Petraeus saying the “Afghan soldiers fought and died in huge numbers over the course of the past two decades.” the expectation was that they WOULD put up a respectable resistance to the Taliban . . . but they DIDN’T! All of our extensive training and equipment . . . and they essentially handed over everything to a bunch of bearded guys in pickup trucks with various automatic weapons and grenade launchers! Pathetic.

    Clearly, some kind of *fix* was in. Like I believe I said earlier, most of the women REALLY welcomed the freedoms of not living under Taliban rule, but I think the – so-called – men preferred those archaic ways. And, they were just going through the motions – and collecting a much needed paycheck – just biding their time.

    Afghanistan has always been, and likely always will be, a tribal country that does not welcome outside interference. “Nation building” in that kind of environment is always going to be a losing proposition. We shouldn’t have been there a minute after they discovered that al Qaeda had escaped, but the fat cats saw the opportunity to profit from the lengthy occupation, so they did so. The U.S. is much deeper in debt because of it, but the outcome was essentially inevitable.

    I think your “better game plan” is like one of yesterday’s airline executive’s exclamations of “Pie in the sky!” Theoretically, things COULD have gone better, but I think it is highly doubtful. History is just repeating itself. Trying to make political hay of the situation is just hyperbole. It’s just so much easier in the age of the internet and social media.

    — YUR

  13. 13 Ken August 20, 2021 at 2:48 pm


    Good summary UR…An old adage: War is like a preview of hell*… One aspect; People who make mucho $$$ off a war they hope/help continues, without being in the line of fire…

    Last: One portion of this situation that stinks;
    The Taliban being gifted some of the best “war toys” on earth!!…Maybe a few of them shall explode on them??¿


  14. 14 lwc August 20, 2021 at 6:14 pm

    Many of the so-called Afghan troops didn’t exist, but where names on a list kept by warlords for troops who didn’t exist.

    This corruption is part of the culture and we’ve fallen for it before.
    Some of the people taken to Guantanamo weren’t actually terrorists but were hapless souls picked by bounty hunters to turn over to us for an easy paycheck. They told us what they wanted us to believe.

  15. 15 unclerave August 20, 2021 at 9:49 pm

    Chicken-hawks have always been – and probably always will be – a plague, Ken!

    300,000 Afghan troops, all with U.S. equipment and training, AND an Air Force!!! . . . laid down like dogs, to 75,000 Taliban fighters running around in frigging pickup trucks. Now, the Taliban is going to be one of the best armed forces in the world. Yeah. That stinks to high heaven, Ken!

    There were some who tried to sound the warning bells, but the top brass kept telling Biden that the Afghan Army was capable. Presidents generally listen to their top brass.

    — YUR

  16. 16 unclerave August 20, 2021 at 9:55 pm

    And, a lot of our own Generals told Biden – and likely Trump and Obama – what they thought they wanted to hear, lwc. There is plenty of blame to go around. Wars bring out the worst in people. And, no one likes an occupying force!

    — YUR

  17. 17 lwc August 20, 2021 at 11:13 pm

    I don’t recall if it was the “Atlanta Journal Constitution” or “USA Today”, but there was a front-page photo today of two Taliban fighters: one carrying a Russian-made AK-47 and the other with an American-made M-16.

    I’m wondering from whose dead body did he take that M-16: an American or one of our allies;

    or, did members of the so-called Afghanistan Army drop their weapons while running away from the Taliban rather than defend their own nation from them and allowing this rout ?

  18. 18 unclerave August 22, 2021 at 11:42 am

    Most likely the last scenario, lwc. — YUR

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