Jumble Spoiler – 08/24/15

Plan of Fort Laramie

Plan of Fort Laramie (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Visual Description:  Palisades plans.


Clue/Question:  He specialized in building secure structures for troops.  It was his – – –

English: Entrance to Fort Apache in Mini Hollywood

English: Entrance to Fort Apache in Mini Hollywood (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Answer:  FORTE

(Not bad.  Not really a pun.  More of an associated word thing.  It’s pronounced for-tay.  We had two brand new clue words today, in “rally” and “rhythm”.  They can be added to the ralis95 clue word database.  The other two jumbles were new too.  Fine answer letter layout, but due to the shortness of the answer it wasn’t difficult to figure out the answer.  Cute cartoon.  Looks like Jeff might have been going for an F-Troop look.  The captain has that Ken Berry look.  Humorous ’60s sitcom.  Be well and do good, friends.)   —   YUR

5 Responses to “Jumble Spoiler – 08/24/15”

  1. 1 Anonymous August 24, 2015 at 10:33 pm

    I thought the answer was quite good. You say forte is pronounced for-tay, which is the Italian word for “forceful”, as in the italicised f in music which instructs the pianist toplay forcefully. However, the French word forte is pronounced simply fort, which means a “strong point”, which is the root of the English words for fortifications. The clue says “he specialized in building secure structures”, his specialty is his strong point, or forte in French.

  2. 2 unclerave August 25, 2015 at 11:10 am

    I’m aware of the derivations, anonymous. In American English we pronounce it for-tay, with the meaning of someone’s strength, or strong point. Here is what Merriam Websters says on the pronunciation of the word:

    “In forte we have a word derived from French that in its “strong point” sense has no entirely satisfactory pronunciation. Usage writers have denigrated \ˈfȯr-ˌtā\ and \ˈfȯr-tē\ because they reflect the influence of the Italian-derived 2forte. Their recommended pronunciation \ˈfȯrt\, however, does not exactly reflect French either: the French would write the word le fort and would pronounce it more similar to English for. So you can take your choice, knowing that someone somewhere will dislike whichever variant you choose. All are standard, however. In British English \ˈfȯ-ˌtā\ and \ˈfȯt\ predominate; \ˈfȯr-ˌtā\ and \fȯr-ˈtā\ are probably the most frequent pronunciations in American English.”

    Please note (above) the French pronunciation omits the “t”. (I don’t really speak it, but I did take a number of years of French in school.)

    — YUR

  3. 3 Harry August 25, 2015 at 12:33 pm

    Accepted English pronunciation is Fort as in fortification without the a sound at the end. I’m sure of this. — Harry

  4. 4 Karl August 25, 2015 at 1:29 pm

    The online Merriam-Webster Dictionary says: noun \ˈfȯrt; 2 is often ˈfȯr-ˌtā or fȯr-ˈtā or ˈfȯr-tē\

    Note that the first pronunciation for American English is “fort” (t is not silent), while the second version suggests “for-ta or for-tee”.

    So when you say “In American English we pronounce it ‘for-tay’ ” you are speaking for yourself and your friends, not all of us.

    At any rate, the Jumble makes a lot more sense if you pronounce it the way Merriam and I suggest.

  5. 5 unclerave August 25, 2015 at 2:14 pm

    Nice to hear from you, Harry! It’s been a while.
    Karl (who I’m assuming to be “anonymous”, from a little earlier),

    Plain “fort” may be the first pronunciation listed by Websters, but I didn’t just make up what I listed in quotes. (I’m relatively sure you saw this when you looked up the word yourself.) I happily stand by the last portion of the quote: “\ˈfȯr-ˌtā\ and \fȯr-ˈtā\ are probably the MOST FREQUENT pronunciations in American English.”

    If you guys are more comfortable with the *lesser frequent pronunciation* then knock yourselves out.

    — YUR

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